{"id":5565,"date":"2026-07-15T17:15:58","date_gmt":"2026-07-15T16:15:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/espsig.iatefl.org\/?p=5565"},"modified":"2026-07-15T17:16:01","modified_gmt":"2026-07-15T16:16:01","slug":"esp-unplugged-episode-4-rachael-roberts","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/espsig.iatefl.org\/?p=5565","title":{"rendered":"ESP Unplugged \u2013 Episode 4, Rachael Roberts"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"aVla3\" tabindex=\"-1\" data-itempart-id=\"AAkALgAAAAAAHYQDEapmEc2byACqAC\/EWg0ALRSp9AQxEEyYvO+o75zQxQAHYxSNLwAA\" data-rp-focused-item=\"true\">\n<div class=\"BS0OK\" aria-expanded=\"true\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"fui-FluentProvider fui-FluentProviderril ___5n94it0 f19n0e5 f3rmtva fgusgyc fk6fouc fkhj508 figsok6 fytdu2e\" dir=\"ltr\">\n<div class=\"wide-content-host\">\n<div id=\"focused\" class=\"SlLx9 WWy1F byzS1 WWy1F\" tabindex=\"-1\" aria-label=\"Email message\">\n<div data-test-id=\"mailMessageBodyContainer\">\n<div class=\"XbIp4 jmmB7 customScrollBar GNqVo allowTextSelection\">\n<div id=\"UniqueMessageBody_5\" class=\"OuGoX BIZfh\" tabindex=\"0\" role=\"document\" aria-label=\"Message body\" aria-live=\"polite\" aria-atomic=\"false\">\n<div>\n<div>\n<div lang=\"en-GB\">\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<p>Listen to award-winning ELT business strategist and mentor Rachael Roberts, who has helped language professionals around the world develop their own businesses through her programme \u2018Designed to Flourish\u2019 and other work (<a title=\"Original URL: https:\/\/earnlearnthriveinelt.com\/. 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Click or tap if you trust this link.\" href=\"https:\/\/eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iateflconference.org%2Fabout-the-conference%2Fplenary-recordings&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cbm221%40st-andrews.ac.uk%7C180fc6af860e49627bf308dee1cc79ee%7Cf85626cb0da849d3aa5864ef678ef01a%7C0%7C0%7C639196465526512003%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=RnCxrtpMevUSy9pVkqxg%2BqB8BOv5RsGYbbIDGqrOBwA%3D&amp;reserved=0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-auth=\"NotApplicable\" data-linkindex=\"1\">https:\/\/www.iateflconference.org\/about-the-conference\/plenary-recordings<\/a>\u00a0.\u00a0In this episode, Ioana Cretu talks to Rachael about reactions to the plenary, the value teachers add, their obvious discomfort with visibility and marketing, and how economic fragility is such a source of anxiety in the world of ELT. 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